According to this jerk, only Muslims are innocent:
A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims — including killing and rape.
A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.
“Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet,” the Imam says, according to the report. “If you don’t believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain.”
The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam’s position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.
As far as I’m concerned, Ann Coulter was right.
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Invade their countries and kill their leaders? Yeah, that’ll show them which religion is the true Religion of Peace. How exactly are you going to convert them to Christianity after you do something like that? Do what we say, not what we do?
April 2nd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
My point is, why bother? They are not reasonable, therefore you cannot deal with them reasonably. How do you negotiate with someone whose starting point is that they want to kill you? Do you talk them down to just hacking your left arm off? These people are not civilized, and if we try to deal with them in a civilized manner they will just take advantage of it and do what they want anyway.
Lastly, how can you talk to a people whose religion tells them it is alright to lie and cheat, as long as they do it for their God?
April 2nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm
My point is, why bother?
Is that really your point, Nick? I choose to think better of you and to believe that you pose that question rhetorically. Because we already have “bothered” haven’t we. We have invaded two of their countries and killed many of their leaders. Now what? I suppose you’d advocate the Ann Coulter Strategy and just keep invading and killing until they all bow down and declare Christianity to be the One True Religion Of Peace. Any day now, no doubt.
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pm
I don’t care a whit about what religion they are, except that apparently this religion commands them to kill people who don’t believe as they do for no other reason than they are not Muslim. Convert them to Christianity? I wouldn’t want them to; Christianity has enough problems.
What I want is for them to stop killing innocent non-Muslims, and I’m not that particular about we go about it. If it can be done without killing them, so much the better, but the events of the past few years tells me that this won’t be possible. It is at a point now where it is either them or us, and quite frankly I prefer that we win this thing.
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:41 am
There you go again, as Ronald Reagan would say, going after a whole group of anonymous “theys” because of something one person said or did.
This particular Imam who said these hateful things is in London. So does that mean you are advocating that we invade Great Britain and kill Prime Minister Gordon Brown? Or are we supposed to figure out where this guy was originally from and go kill all the people in that country?
You see, it is not that I am any less upset about what this guy said. It is just that your prescription for what to do about it is no better than what he is advocating.
And I hardly think this is an “us or them” situation. Please. Most of what this imam is saying is bluster that he can’t back up. We, on the other hand, are perfectly capable of killing thousands and thousands of people at any time.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:15 am
Mike, you are thinking too broadly here. If I am talking about a certain Imam, and I advocate a certain action, it should follow that I am talking about that Imam or people like him. In this case, we are talking about radical Islamic Extremists. I don’t believe I said anything about killing the leader of Britain; an Imam is a leader, is he not?
As far as “Us or Them” goes, yes, it is one of these situation. The “Us” in this case is the population of Western Civilization, and the “Them” are the radical Islamic Extremists. Finally, I would not call 9/11, “bluster that he can’t back up.” These terrorists have proven more than once that they will do whatever they have to to kill innocent people. They talk about killing people all of the time, isn’t it about time that we start to listen to them and take their threats seriously?
April 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Ah so, you are thinking too broadly here. If you are talking about a certain President, and you advocate a certain action, it should follow that you are talking about that President or people like him. In this case, we are talking about radical Pentagon Extremists. You don’t believe you said anything about killing the leader of Canada; a President is a leader, is he not?
As far as “Us or Them” goes, yes, it is one of these situation. The “Us” in this case is the population of Eastern Civilization, and the “Them” are the radical Pentagon Extremists. Finally, would you not call Hiroshima, “bluster that he can’t back up?” These terrorists have proven more than once that they will do whatever they have to to kill innocent people. They talk about killing people all of the time, isn’t it about time that we start to listen to them and take their threats seriously?
Just using your words to highlight a much different perspective in other parts of the world by ordinary people like you.
April 5th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Clever, but not relevant. Since only someone who looks at the Pentagon through a prism of hate and disgust could see the men and women who have dedicated their lives to protecting America’s freedom as “radical extremists”.