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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://conservativedialysis.com/~mnick/wp/index.php/2008/01/31/state-of-the-presidential-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Maybe we&#039;ve come to the root of Democrat&#039;s ire over the issue: Gingrich initiated it. :)

In all seriousness, though - if it is true that Gingrich initiated the use of &quot;Democrat Party&quot; in a pejorative manner, then I think that he was misguided (as I said above).

Ultimately, my issue is that focusing on such a non-issue detracts from discussion of the real matters of importance; this thread is a perfect example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;ve come to the root of Democrat&#8217;s ire over the issue: Gingrich initiated it. <img src='http://conservativedialysis.com/~mnick/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In all seriousness, though &#8211; if it is true that Gingrich initiated the use of &#8220;Democrat Party&#8221; in a pejorative manner, then I think that he was misguided (as I said above).</p>
<p>Ultimately, my issue is that focusing on such a non-issue detracts from discussion of the real matters of importance; this thread is a perfect example.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Thomas</title>
		<link>http://conservativedialysis.com/~mnick/wp/index.php/2008/01/31/state-of-the-presidential-race/comment-page-1/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct that the memo I linked to does not mention the Democrat-ic issue. He dealt with that separately from this memo. My point was that Gingrich was very keen on manipulating language as a partisan political tool and when I learned that he was behind the push to misuse the terms Democrat and Democratic, it ticked me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct that the memo I linked to does not mention the Democrat-ic issue. He dealt with that separately from this memo. My point was that Gingrich was very keen on manipulating language as a partisan political tool and when I learned that he was behind the push to misuse the terms Democrat and Democratic, it ticked me off.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Marinelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Marinelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:

I looked at the provided link re: Language, and the terms &quot;Democrat Party&quot; and &quot;Democrat&quot; are not even mentioned. In fact, in the one paragraph where it talks about the party, it uses the term &quot;Democratic Party.&quot; 

Did you accidentally leave the wrong link, or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>I looked at the provided link re: Language, and the terms &#8220;Democrat Party&#8221; and &#8220;Democrat&#8221; are not even mentioned. In fact, in the one paragraph where it talks about the party, it uses the term &#8220;Democratic Party.&#8221; </p>
<p>Did you accidentally leave the wrong link, or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip,

I appreciate your desire to be semantically correct and I agree with you that most of the misuses of the term are not done with any malice intended. 
The only reason it rubs me the wrong way is because I know that the recent push in the GOP to misuse the term was instigated by Newt Gingrich, the author of the infamous memo &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Language: A Key Mechanism of Control&lt;/a&gt; back when he was Speaker. You can&#039;t tell me that he did not intend malice back then when he was urging fellow Republicans to always refer to Democrats as &quot;sick&quot; &quot;corrupt&quot; and &quot;pathetic&quot;.
Nevertheless, you are correct that to anyone not in on Gingrich&#039;s &quot;language as a weapon&quot; scheme, the misuse of the term does not come across as a pejorative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip,</p>
<p>I appreciate your desire to be semantically correct and I agree with you that most of the misuses of the term are not done with any malice intended.<br />
The only reason it rubs me the wrong way is because I know that the recent push in the GOP to misuse the term was instigated by Newt Gingrich, the author of the infamous memo <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm" rel="nofollow">Language: A Key Mechanism of Control</a> back when he was Speaker. You can&#8217;t tell me that he did not intend malice back then when he was urging fellow Republicans to always refer to Democrats as &#8220;sick&#8221; &#8220;corrupt&#8221; and &#8220;pathetic&#8221;.<br />
Nevertheless, you are correct that to anyone not in on Gingrich&#8217;s &#8220;language as a weapon&#8221; scheme, the misuse of the term does not come across as a pejorative.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

I read some of what Mike linked, and even did some googling of my own. You know what? I honestly thought the party was founded as the &quot;Democrat Party.&quot; That&#039;s why I would use the term, if ever I did. Now that I know otherwise, I&#039;ll use &quot;Democratic&quot; - primarily to be semantically correct.

My point - and my problem with your reaction to the use of &quot;Democrat&quot; - is that I *understand* that you find it offensive, but the reasoning is, IMHO, asinine.

I don&#039;t know anyone who uses the term pejoratively. And again IMHO, trying to do so would be about as effective as the immature, &quot;Your Mom!&quot; come-back from my junior high days. There is nothing &quot;offensive&quot; about &quot;Your Mom!&quot; - just as there is nothing inherently offensive with &quot;Democrat.&quot;

Said another way: believing that every Republican use of the term &quot;Democrat&quot; is pejorative is equivalent to believing that Ron Paul is representative of anything more than some kooks who comprise about 0.5% of our party.

The bottom line is this: I fail to find any intended offense in the use of &quot;Democrat&quot; in lieu of &quot;Democratic&quot;. The closest I&#039;ve seen is some suggestion that &quot;Democrat&quot; evokes &quot;rat&quot;... is that the most offensive thing about the use of &quot;Democrat&quot;?

It is not intended to be offensive. It shouldn&#039;t be inferred as such, either - for that matter, it shouldn&#039;t be inferred as such, even if it were intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>I read some of what Mike linked, and even did some googling of my own. You know what? I honestly thought the party was founded as the &#8220;Democrat Party.&#8221; That&#8217;s why I would use the term, if ever I did. Now that I know otherwise, I&#8217;ll use &#8220;Democratic&#8221; &#8211; primarily to be semantically correct.</p>
<p>My point &#8211; and my problem with your reaction to the use of &#8220;Democrat&#8221; &#8211; is that I *understand* that you find it offensive, but the reasoning is, IMHO, asinine.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know anyone who uses the term pejoratively. And again IMHO, trying to do so would be about as effective as the immature, &#8220;Your Mom!&#8221; come-back from my junior high days. There is nothing &#8220;offensive&#8221; about &#8220;Your Mom!&#8221; &#8211; just as there is nothing inherently offensive with &#8220;Democrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Said another way: believing that every Republican use of the term &#8220;Democrat&#8221; is pejorative is equivalent to believing that Ron Paul is representative of anything more than some kooks who comprise about 0.5% of our party.</p>
<p>The bottom line is this: I fail to find any intended offense in the use of &#8220;Democrat&#8221; in lieu of &#8220;Democratic&#8221;. The closest I&#8217;ve seen is some suggestion that &#8220;Democrat&#8221; evokes &#8220;rat&#8221;&#8230; is that the most offensive thing about the use of &#8220;Democrat&#8221;?</p>
<p>It is not intended to be offensive. It shouldn&#8217;t be inferred as such, either &#8211; for that matter, it shouldn&#8217;t be inferred as such, even if it were intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know. Thanks Nick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know. Thanks Nick.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann, I don&#039;t delete comments unless they are a personal attack or unless the content is so offensive as to have no value. In fact, I have not deleted anything you have posted here. Chances are that your comment had not been approved yet. Since you do not use an email address on your comments, all of your comments have to be manually approved, and due to real-life sometimes it takes me a while to get to the site and approve them.

That being said, if something you have posted is not here, please let me know so I can track it down and find out why it happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann, I don&#8217;t delete comments unless they are a personal attack or unless the content is so offensive as to have no value. In fact, I have not deleted anything you have posted here. Chances are that your comment had not been approved yet. Since you do not use an email address on your comments, all of your comments have to be manually approved, and due to real-life sometimes it takes me a while to get to the site and approve them.</p>
<p>That being said, if something you have posted is not here, please let me know so I can track it down and find out why it happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, wonder why my last post was deleted. Whatever, good luck to all of you in your quest for civil discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, wonder why my last post was deleted. Whatever, good luck to all of you in your quest for civil discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip,
I agree with you that Nick was not intending to be insulting. And rather than being thin-skinned, I was attempting to answer Nick&#039;s questions about why anyone would take offense at the improper usage in the first place. I don&#039;t care if he wants to continue swapping nouns and adjectives on his blog. I&#039;m not going to  take offense.
Also, I know that civil discourse can be difficult in these times, but I&#039;m happy to say that we&#039;ve gotten off to a good start here and Nick has been very accommodating and willing to engage in thoughtful argument. I do not expect to be able to change people&#039;s minds (or have my mind changed) in the course of a few e-mail exchanges or blog commentaries. But I am interested in hearing what other people have to say and hearing their respons to some of my thoughts and comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip,<br />
I agree with you that Nick was not intending to be insulting. And rather than being thin-skinned, I was attempting to answer Nick&#8217;s questions about why anyone would take offense at the improper usage in the first place. I don&#8217;t care if he wants to continue swapping nouns and adjectives on his blog. I&#8217;m not going to  take offense.<br />
Also, I know that civil discourse can be difficult in these times, but I&#8217;m happy to say that we&#8217;ve gotten off to a good start here and Nick has been very accommodating and willing to engage in thoughtful argument. I do not expect to be able to change people&#8217;s minds (or have my mind changed) in the course of a few e-mail exchanges or blog commentaries. But I am interested in hearing what other people have to say and hearing their respons to some of my thoughts and comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip, with all due respect, I assume you didn&#039;t read the link Mike provided either. Here are some relevant parts:

&lt;i&gt;The ungrammatical conversion of the noun &quot;Democrat&quot; to an adjective was the brainchild of Republican partisans, presumably an attempt to deny the opposing party the claim to being &quot;democratic&quot; -- or in the words of New Yorker magazine senior editor Hendrik Hertzberg, &quot;to deny the enemy the positive connotations of its chosen appellation.&quot; In the early 1990s, apparently due largely to the urging of then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) and Republican pollster Frank Luntz, the use of the word &quot;Democrat&quot; as an adjective became near-universal among Republicans.&lt;/i&gt;

and:

&lt;i&gt;Further, Hertzberg wrote that &quot;among those of the Republican persuasion,&quot; the use of &quot; &#039;Democrat Party&#039; is now nearly universal&quot; thanks to &quot;Newt Gingrich, the nominal author of the notorious 1990 memo &#039;Language: A Key Mechanism of Control,&#039; and his Contract with America pollster, Frank Luntz.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Furthermore, while Nick may have used the term initially without intent to offend, that certainly can&#039;t be said after Mike informed him that it&#039;s use is indeed offensive and one of his &quot;pet peeves&quot; whereupon Nick proceeded to use the term again. At that point, the the insult can be none other than intentional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip, with all due respect, I assume you didn&#8217;t read the link Mike provided either. Here are some relevant parts:</p>
<p><i>The ungrammatical conversion of the noun &#8220;Democrat&#8221; to an adjective was the brainchild of Republican partisans, presumably an attempt to deny the opposing party the claim to being &#8220;democratic&#8221; &#8212; or in the words of New Yorker magazine senior editor Hendrik Hertzberg, &#8220;to deny the enemy the positive connotations of its chosen appellation.&#8221; In the early 1990s, apparently due largely to the urging of then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) and Republican pollster Frank Luntz, the use of the word &#8220;Democrat&#8221; as an adjective became near-universal among Republicans.</i></p>
<p>and:</p>
<p><i>Further, Hertzberg wrote that &#8220;among those of the Republican persuasion,&#8221; the use of &#8221; &#8216;Democrat Party&#8217; is now nearly universal&#8221; thanks to &#8220;Newt Gingrich, the nominal author of the notorious 1990 memo &#8216;Language: A Key Mechanism of Control,&#8217; and his Contract with America pollster, Frank Luntz.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Furthermore, while Nick may have used the term initially without intent to offend, that certainly can&#8217;t be said after Mike informed him that it&#8217;s use is indeed offensive and one of his &#8220;pet peeves&#8221; whereupon Nick proceeded to use the term again. At that point, the the insult can be none other than intentional.</p>
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